Get to the point

You work in a survey shop. You’ve got a couple thousand points on the screen and you need to weed through them. How did you accomplish this in Land Desktop (or likely ANY AutoCAD based program)? You either used description keys to assign proper layers, symbols, etc. to your points, or one at a time, you assigned points to layers as needed. Once it was time to work with the points – to get a job done – you isolated the points a layer at a time, and weeded through them as necessary. What was the easiest way to accomplish this? _LAYISO. The command now sits on the AutoCAD Layers II Toolbar.

Exceptionally common, makes sense.

One problem, how do you set up Civil 3D to make this happen? You know – like you’re used to? I’ll leave it to you to weed through the plethora of documentation on why this works, but you want to do the following:

Make a layer for points, I’ve called mine DC-PNTS. Change your command settings to use this as the default layer for point creation as shown below:

Set up default styles as well. Notice object styles and label styles carry the same name for simplicity – your end users will thank you.

Your object style components should reside on layer 0 as shown below:

Your label layer needs to be the same as your object layer, and I know it sounds odd:

Points created with these settings in place can be isolated by layer, the colors of the object layers can be changed, the labels can be turned off via the object style component, and most importantly, the label can be gripped, and its location – relative to the marker – can be modified. In a nut-shell, you’ll be able to work like you have in the past, isolating, modifying, making notes, unisolating, and moving on.

Let’s say you have a layer for control points called DC-PNTS-CONTROL, and you want to use description keys. Make a “Control Points” style, but set the marker and label components to layer 0. Make a label style (Control Points), but set the label layer to DC-PNTS-CONTROL. Turn on the layer control as part of the desrciption key, and select the same layer (as shown below):

If you work in this fashion, any points set manually will reside on the layer you choose, you can easily make a layer filter for points (using DC-PNTS* as your filter definition, for example). You can freeze and thaw all your points via the layer dialog. You can turn off the label and leave the marker on; you can turn off the marker and leave the label on; you’ll be able to harness the power of the old _LAYISO command you’ve been using since about AutoCAD 13.

That should cover about every option you’ll need. Nice.

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4 Responses to “Get to the point”
  1. John says:

    Scott, I am trying to push the envelope in this issue I want the old set the symbol and symbol layer in to use in civil 3D. I find it necessary to glightly move the symbols arround for clarity in some cases and I do not want to move the point marker. I have tried to do this with a lable style with an added component. But I still cannot control the layer of the individual symbol like we used to. I want the control back in the description key do you have any help with this.
    Thanks
    John

  2. John says:

    This would be great but now the symbol is the marker and I can not shift its location by grips without moving the value of the points true location. I want the symbol to be seperate from the marker and layer control to be placed to the symbol indpendantly is this possible by using an additional component in the lable style or am I just wishing?
    Autodesk forever?
    wondering

  3. Scott says:

    Hi John. I hope I don’t sound disrespectful, but if you more of my posts you’ll find I’m a big fan of the use what works theory. If LDT’s desription keys etc. are more suited to your needs, then why not use it, you own it? The points can be seen in Civil 3D, they can be used to build a surface, the drawing can be used as an x’ref if you need, etc. I personally don’t find your issue troubling – if my scale is so tight I need to move symbols for clarity, I’ll simply do a blow up, add a phot, or something else to detail out the area.

    Again, I feel your pain and it’s pretty hard to force the issue in Civil 3D, but you definitely have options. You own the software, don’t let it own you.

  4. John says:

    Thanks Scott, I am new to the site and also am of the sort who feel if it is not broke why fix it. I am worrying about the discontinuance of the LDT program now with the NEW and Improved C3D. I see the functional use of the c3d platform for machine control models exceeding the LDT capabilities but sure do miss the easy to use surveying functionality of LDT. I know time marches on but production must continue also with as little interuption as possible. I will be following this tread to see what else pops up.

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